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	<title>Comments on: Did &#8220;The Yes Men&#8221; Forcibly Remove a Dissident from Chicago Brainstorming Session?</title>
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		<title>By: Mpaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mpaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoaxes are meant to be believed, and you did a good job with that, yet at the cost of freaking out innocent people, and making them out to be the bad guys. 

The difference between the humorous hoaxes the Yes Men do and your hoax is that THEY are attacking the &quot;bad guys&quot;,  while YOU are using the &quot;good guys&quot; as a battering ram to shed light on yourself. That is totally tasteless. 

This piece is not funny, and it is counter-productive  to a scene plagued by so much thanklessness. You&#039;re doing the Co-Prosperity Sphere, The Yes Men and you a disservice by publishing this garbage. 

It is a shame you take yourself so seriously (seriously enough to defend your poorly thought out actions), but find the potential damage done to people undeserving of mistreatment so lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoaxes are meant to be believed, and you did a good job with that, yet at the cost of freaking out innocent people, and making them out to be the bad guys. </p>
<p>The difference between the humorous hoaxes the Yes Men do and your hoax is that THEY are attacking the &#8220;bad guys&#8221;,  while YOU are using the &#8220;good guys&#8221; as a battering ram to shed light on yourself. That is totally tasteless. </p>
<p>This piece is not funny, and it is counter-productive  to a scene plagued by so much thanklessness. You&#8217;re doing the Co-Prosperity Sphere, The Yes Men and you a disservice by publishing this garbage. </p>
<p>It is a shame you take yourself so seriously (seriously enough to defend your poorly thought out actions), but find the potential damage done to people undeserving of mistreatment so lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want you to take this the wrong way Kathryn, but I think you&#039;re a complete fool and wonder why you think your opinion matters to the Chicago art community. I think it&#039;s time to get off your high horse, start writing articles and reviews that are interesting and stop trash talking. You&#039;d think someone of your age would have left that attitude in their 20s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want you to take this the wrong way Kathryn, but I think you&#8217;re a complete fool and wonder why you think your opinion matters to the Chicago art community. I think it&#8217;s time to get off your high horse, start writing articles and reviews that are interesting and stop trash talking. You&#8217;d think someone of your age would have left that attitude in their 20s.</p>
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		<title>By: mike bonanno</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike bonanno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can confirm no evictions. And I must say that yeah, we are fair game, its true. and we need a good kick in the pants.

 but its sooooo thankless and difficult to run a venue like the co-prosperity spere that i can see very clearly edmar&#039;s position. 

but i do still feel a bit bad about dipping a kitten in poo in the basement that night. poor thing.

aside from that, there was (really) someone from that night who was arrested the following night after an action against chase bank- and i am embarassed to say that i still haven&#039;t found him! We were in a barr drinking by the time  he was locked up... his first name is sergei, and if anyone knows him please put him in touch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can confirm no evictions. And I must say that yeah, we are fair game, its true. and we need a good kick in the pants.</p>
<p> but its sooooo thankless and difficult to run a venue like the co-prosperity spere that i can see very clearly edmar&#8217;s position. </p>
<p>but i do still feel a bit bad about dipping a kitten in poo in the basement that night. poor thing.</p>
<p>aside from that, there was (really) someone from that night who was arrested the following night after an action against chase bank- and i am embarassed to say that i still haven&#8217;t found him! We were in a barr drinking by the time  he was locked up&#8230; his first name is sergei, and if anyone knows him please put him in touch!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The venue in the piece has been changed to protect the innocent.</description>
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		<title>By: edmar</title>
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		<dc:creator>edmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again Kathryn you are misleading people here.  I never said anything like that to you. So yes, please do retract your statements.

I was one of hundreds of individuals who showed up to participate in the Art War. I helped organize it.  Assuming I am responsible for the actions of hundreds of other people is ridiculous. And so is your blog.

There is already scant coverage of the arts in the city. If your mission is to train people to decypher arts coverage on your blogs by testing their intelligence then its not really working here.

Readers who couldn&#039;t decypher your prank would come away believing that we (yes men, c-ps, etc) are the kind of people that would censor free speech. 

The difference between your attempt and the yes men&#039;s work is that they disguise themselves to expose the truth. In your piece you disguise yourself to lie and damage people&#039;s reputations.

You are fomenting negative opinions, as well as slandering and insulting people. You suggested that we condone censoring people at our space.  You say the yes men were denying people free speech. That&#039;s what i get out of your &quot;art joke&quot;.

I want you to continue your creative writing experiments, but just don&#039;t lie and slander people just because you can&#039;t think of anything else to write about. Don&#039;t hide lying behind the veils of media literacy, performance art or creative writing experiments. Your embarrassing yourself.

I already knew your blogs were not very credible sources for arts coverage and criticism. I never really read them  much. So it was weird to have a bunch of people i know send me a link to your weird yes men Co-Prosperity Sphere &quot;art joke.&quot;

So  thanks for mentioning in the comments above that &quot;most pieces are not proofread, let alone fact-checked. Reviews are done by people I don’t know, who are going to galleries I’ve often never been to. They could be the artist they are reviewing, for all I know.&quot;

I remember a few years ago you admitted you didn&#039;t really know whats going on in the art scenes of Chicago on the Bad a Sport site. I can see how that lack of experience and knowledge is affecting your work today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Kathryn you are misleading people here.  I never said anything like that to you. So yes, please do retract your statements.</p>
<p>I was one of hundreds of individuals who showed up to participate in the Art War. I helped organize it.  Assuming I am responsible for the actions of hundreds of other people is ridiculous. And so is your blog.</p>
<p>There is already scant coverage of the arts in the city. If your mission is to train people to decypher arts coverage on your blogs by testing their intelligence then its not really working here.</p>
<p>Readers who couldn&#8217;t decypher your prank would come away believing that we (yes men, c-ps, etc) are the kind of people that would censor free speech. </p>
<p>The difference between your attempt and the yes men&#8217;s work is that they disguise themselves to expose the truth. In your piece you disguise yourself to lie and damage people&#8217;s reputations.</p>
<p>You are fomenting negative opinions, as well as slandering and insulting people. You suggested that we condone censoring people at our space.  You say the yes men were denying people free speech. That&#8217;s what i get out of your &#8220;art joke&#8221;.</p>
<p>I want you to continue your creative writing experiments, but just don&#8217;t lie and slander people just because you can&#8217;t think of anything else to write about. Don&#8217;t hide lying behind the veils of media literacy, performance art or creative writing experiments. Your embarrassing yourself.</p>
<p>I already knew your blogs were not very credible sources for arts coverage and criticism. I never really read them  much. So it was weird to have a bunch of people i know send me a link to your weird yes men Co-Prosperity Sphere &#8220;art joke.&#8221;</p>
<p>So  thanks for mentioning in the comments above that &#8220;most pieces are not proofread, let alone fact-checked. Reviews are done by people I don’t know, who are going to galleries I’ve often never been to. They could be the artist they are reviewing, for all I know.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember a few years ago you admitted you didn&#8217;t really know whats going on in the art scenes of Chicago on the Bad a Sport site. I can see how that lack of experience and knowledge is affecting your work today.</p>
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		<title>By: girl-a</title>
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		<dc:creator>girl-a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of like when Negativland&#039;s &#039;Christianity is Stupid&#039;
_reportedly_ motivated that kid&#039;s shooting spree.  Oh performative cultural criticism, life would be dull without you.  Hoax on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of like when Negativland&#8217;s &#8216;Christianity is Stupid&#8217;<br />
_reportedly_ motivated that kid&#8217;s shooting spree.  Oh performative cultural criticism, life would be dull without you.  Hoax on!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I guess we put in hoax pieces (and fake ads are coming) because I want to train our readers to NOT believe what they read on our site.&quot; - Kathryn

You what? You want to TRAIN your readers? You want to TRAIN your readers NOT to believe what they read? Are you some kind of sicko? I don&#039;t think most of your readers would like to know that the editor of the blog they are reading is trying to train them, that you think they are so media illiterate that they need to be trained. Megalomania anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I guess we put in hoax pieces (and fake ads are coming) because I want to train our readers to NOT believe what they read on our site.&#8221; &#8211; Kathryn</p>
<p>You what? You want to TRAIN your readers? You want to TRAIN your readers NOT to believe what they read? Are you some kind of sicko? I don&#8217;t think most of your readers would like to know that the editor of the blog they are reading is trying to train them, that you think they are so media illiterate that they need to be trained. Megalomania anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(my internet is working)

Ok, but Edmar, you and I personally discussed that incident, remember, we stood at Art Chicago and talked about it, about the phone calls and the ultimately peaceful resolution? However, I will officially retract, if I misunderstood the situation I apologize. 

K</description>
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<p>Ok, but Edmar, you and I personally discussed that incident, remember, we stood at Art Chicago and talked about it, about the phone calls and the ultimately peaceful resolution? However, I will officially retract, if I misunderstood the situation I apologize. </p>
<p>K</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathryn, your point is fair, I just think this wasn&#039;t a particularly good method for establishing it. It just confused me when I read it because it was from a local source and I thought it intentionally undercut both groups for no apparent reason. Though you&#039;ve made your reason clear now, I just think I would rather read your thoughtful opinion and analysis on the topic than see it involve, in a negative and misleading way, two groups whose general purposes are positive and seek to add to the cultural sphere rather than take away, despite your contentions to their style. I mean, I still don&#039;t understand what the hell you were trying to say or accomplish by writing this, make people question what they read on the internet? (You really think people, especially those in the art world don&#039;t already question what they read on the computer?) And if you were intentionally misleading and misrepresenting yourself and site, to what end? Because as far as I can read and interpret, it&#039;s still unclear? At best you were using Yes-Men-esque tactics to decry the same tactics, and that Kathryn is just counter-productive.

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathryn, your point is fair, I just think this wasn&#8217;t a particularly good method for establishing it. It just confused me when I read it because it was from a local source and I thought it intentionally undercut both groups for no apparent reason. Though you&#8217;ve made your reason clear now, I just think I would rather read your thoughtful opinion and analysis on the topic than see it involve, in a negative and misleading way, two groups whose general purposes are positive and seek to add to the cultural sphere rather than take away, despite your contentions to their style. I mean, I still don&#8217;t understand what the hell you were trying to say or accomplish by writing this, make people question what they read on the internet? (You really think people, especially those in the art world don&#8217;t already question what they read on the computer?) And if you were intentionally misleading and misrepresenting yourself and site, to what end? Because as far as I can read and interpret, it&#8217;s still unclear? At best you were using Yes-Men-esque tactics to decry the same tactics, and that Kathryn is just counter-productive.</p>
<p>James</p>
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